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Oh oh. surrogate's quoting Bible verses....
03.15.09 (10:55 am)   [edit]

Good morning Boys and Girls.

If there's one thing I've learned, it's that any plans we make in our lives are subject to God's whims.

Am I blaming God? Heavens no. When I say "God's whims", I simply mean that things happen beyond our control. Since I'm one who doesn't believe we can ever know what God thinks or really wants for us, or even what or who God is, let alone how he/she/it works, I don't have any problem accepting this. Yes, I know there are those who think ancient books quasi-outline God's plans, but they never have and never will, despite the claims that these books are "God-inspired". I guess they think it's okay to believe a book inspired by God forces us to explain away that those very books indicate that slavery, misogynistic behavior, adultery and selective murder are, at times, all acceptable.

Further, people who "believe" with all their hearts what they've been taught, including those who've made a career out of fostering and furthering such beliefs in others, are forced to cherry-pick from the very books they claim have been divinely inspired. Some claim that a passage means one thing, while others claim the same passage means something else altogether, or, in some cases, has no meaning and can be largely ignored. To me, and many like me, this leads to sadly funny results.

In 1994, Mother Teresa spoke at the National Prayer breakfast. She began her remarks with these passages: "On the last day, Jesus will say to those on His right hand, "Come, enter the Kingdom. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was sick and you visited me." Then Jesus will turn to those on His left hand and say, "Depart from me because I was hungry and you did not feed me, I was thirsty and you did not give me to drink, I was sick and you did not visit me." These will ask Him, "When did we see You hungry, or thirsty or sick and did not come to Your help?" And Jesus will answer them, "Whatever you neglected to do unto one of these least of these, you neglected to do unto Me!"

To me, if there's any truth whatsoever in the Bible, how on earth can we ignore these words?

From the NIV Bible online:

Matthew 5, 38-48

38"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth. 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

43
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

......................

I know very few Christians who heed these words. They're very big on the "getting saved" thing, but that's because that silliness is easy. -Makes people feel good and allows them to stop asking the unanswerable questions. But, ask them if Jesus meant what he said here, and they'll dance around the simple directives as though they're poisonous as anthrax and more confusing than a pure white 5000 piece puzzle.

Personally, I don't know if Jesus ever said these words. Certainly there aren't any mountains in the part of Galilee where he supposedly spoke them, but, to me anyway, these are the most important ones he is ever reported to have said.

Wow, did I ever get off track from what I'd planned to write about.

No matter.

 

Be good to everyone.

 


posted by: OldSchool (reply)
post date: 03.15.09 (8:59 am)

The whole "do unto others as you would do unto yourself" to me is the message I try to take out of it. Those are the words that I try (key word TRY) to live by.
And to be honest, I do not try to do it anymore because of my Catholic upbringing, but more because I have just come to believe it is the right thing to do. Whether Jesus gave the instructions or not, it is a message that makes sense to me and that makes me attempt to live it.





posted by: bawdy (reply)
post date: 03.15.09 (1:09 pm)

Loving thy neighbour as one loves thy self is not such a bad goal, but some dumb asses don't make it easy. And for some transgressions, turning the other cheek is awfully tough to do.



posted by: pretensions (reply)
post date: 03.15.09 (4:31 pm)

Agree with Bawdy - simple in principle; tough to actually do. Actually, I'm a little cheesed off with the many people who make a real display of their weekly church attendance and then go on to display the most un-christian behaviour ever - aka lie, cheat, steal etc.



posted by: surrogate (reply)
post date: 03.15.09 (4:59 pm)

Reply to: bawdy

I'm pretty sure the fact that it's hard is the very proof if its importance. Retaliation is easy.




posted by: surrogate (reply)
post date: 03.15.09 (5:01 pm)

Reply to: OldSchool

"There is no try, there is only do, or do not."

-Another quote from Jesus... No. Wait. That was Yoda.




posted by: surrogate (reply)
post date: 03.15.09 (5:03 pm)

Reply to: pretensions

I think the standard retort from church goers is that the church is a hospital or sinners, not a palace for saints. On the other hand? -I'm with you.




posted by: PastorDave (reply)
post date: 03.16.09 (10:34 am)

Aren't any mountains in Galilee? Where do you get that?

You are right, we cannot know God, unless He chooses to reveal self to us. Christians believe God has done just that in the person of Jesus Christ. Therefore, "..we can ever know what God thinks or really wants for us,...even what or who God is, let alone how he/she/it works..."

Lots of scripture quoting for an infidel!

I think Jesus is specifically making reference to personal relationships. It's out of place to go too far in applying it to the rule of secular law, or international relations. And literal interpretation is unfair. This same Jesus said to "...love God with all your mind..." We are not intended to be zombie-like in our following of Him. Our minds are God-created.



posted by: barnabus1 (reply)
post date: 03.16.09 (1:06 pm)

I've found that in my Christian walk, it's a growth thing, God don't expect us to go from A - Z in a single year, but we gradually adopt his will in our lives to the greatest extent possible for us at the time. but it's ever growing, what I couldn't do 5 years ago, is now almost too easy! Self sacrifice comes hard at the beginning, but the more of it you do, the easier it also becomes! Growth is the key!!



posted by: surrogate (reply)
post date: 03.16.09 (1:33 pm)

Reply to: PastorDave

Yes. No mountains anywhere near the part of Galilee where the Sermon on the Mount was supposedly given. -Some hills a few hundred feet tall, which is no big deal. After all, HE didn't call it that.

I'm an infidel? Wow. Should I put that on my name tags at conventions?




posted by: PastorDave (reply)
post date: 03.16.09 (1:36 pm)

Reply to: surrogate
It's just an affectionate term of gentle derision. I'm sure you have a few you can label me with.



posted by: Kram1000 (reply)
post date: 03.16.09 (7:47 pm)

How many Ceo's attend church religiously. (whoops I mean every week) and.......................Oh forget it.
What was the other subject you were going to write about?

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